Thou shalt love the Lord thy God

Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord: and thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.  And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:  and thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.

Deuteronomy 6:4-7

Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Matthew 22:37-40

and thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

Mark 12:30-31

And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

Luke 10:27

Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon who the ends of the world are come

1 Cor 10:11

Conversation on Lucian Recension Theory

SBT: You say “historically some scribes added to the original manuscripts”.
What historical evidence is there to support that statement?

CT: Did you watch the video?

SBT: Yes and there too was no historical evidence provided, only talking points from the Lucian Recension theory popularized by Fenton Hort which has no historical basis but is still promoted like bad Haeckel embryo drawings …

CT: Did you see the displayed “marginal” note in the video?

SBT: Yes and the correcting scribe had corrected an error in Hebrews 1:3 with the correct reading supported by all other mss including Papyrus 46 The marginal note writer says “Untrained troublemaker, forgive the ancient [reading]; do not convert it.” The note writer saw Vaticanus as more of a museum-piece to be protected and preserved, rather than as a copy of Scripture to be used as such.

CT: Do you oppose or agree with Bruce Metzger’s The Text of the NT?

SBT: My opinion is not worth any more than anyone else’s, Metzger has a lot of good information and scholarship behind him but, I’m sure you agree, he’s not infallible to the point we rely on every thing he says without further questioning or investigation.
The note in Vaticanus Hebrews 1:3 is at best very shakey ground to use as support for the recension theory.
And if that is the best evidence that can be offered, I am all the more convinced of its lack of historicity

SBT: Tertulian, Cyprian and other early church writers quoted 1 John 5:7 long before it was left out of gnostic corruptions such as Vaticanus and Siniaticus

SBT: Right is why I don’t use term “church fathers”, point being is that he and others were quoting something that predates Vaticanus and Siniaticus, so is not something invented after those codices

SBT A scribe who wrote 1 John 5:7 in the margin did so because they had access to or were aware of a mss with it in the text. Can say this based on evidences that it was part of the text earlier than those extant mss that leave it out.

SBT: The following early church writers quoted 1 John 5:7 and were never accused of adding that verse to the word of God by their contemporaries. This indicates the mss they used included this verse in the text.

200 AD – Tertullian quoted the verse in his Apology, Against Praxeas
250 AD – Cyprian of Carthage, wrote, “And again, of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost IT IS WRITTEN: “And the THREE are ONE” in his On The Lapsed, On the Novatians.
Note that Cyprian is quoting and says “it is written, And the three are One.” He lived from 180 to 250 A.D. and the scriptures he had at that time contained the verse in question. This is at least 100 years before anything we have today in the Greek copies. If it wasn’t part of Holy Scripture, then where did he get it?
350 AD Priscillian referred to it [Corpus Scriptorum Ecclesiasticorum Latinorum, Academia Litterarum Vindobonensis, vol. xviii, p. 6.]
“and there are three which give testimony on earth, the water, the flesh the blood, and these three are in one, and there are three which give testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Spirit, and these three are one in Christ Jesus.” – PRISCILLIAN (380AD)
350 AD Idacius Clarus referred to it [Patrilogiae Cursus Completus, Series Latina by Migne, vol. 62, col. 359.]
350 AD Athanasius referred to it in his De Incarnatione
380 AD Priscillian in Liber Apologeticus quotes “and there are three which give testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Spirit, and these three are one in Christ Jesus.”
398 AD Aurelius Augustine used it to defend Trinitarianism in De Trinitate against the heresy of Sabellianism
415 AD Council of Carthage. The contested verse (1 John 5:7) is quoted at the Council of Carthage (415 A. D.) by Eugenius, who drew up the confession of faith for the “orthodox.” It reads with the King James. How did 350 prelates in 415 A.D. take a verse to be orthodox that wasn’t in the Bible? It had to exist there from the beginning. It was quoted as “Pater, VERBUM, et Spiritus Sanctus”.
“…..and in order that we may teach until now, more clearly than light, that the Holy Spirit is now one divinity with the Father and the Son. It is PROVED by the EVANGELIST JOHN, for HE SAYS, ‘there are THREE which BEAR TESTIMONY in heaven, the FATHER, the WORD, and the HOLY SPIRIT, and THESE THREE ARE ONE” – Eugenius said at the Council of Carthage
450AD – “And there are three who give testimony in heaven, the Father, The Word, and the Spirit, and these three are one.” – I John 5:7 – Anchor Bible; Epistle of John – Contra Varimadum 1.5 (CC90,20-21)- 450AD
450-530 AD. Several orthodox African writers quoted the verse when defending the doctrine of the Trinity against the gainsaying of the Vandals. These writers are:
A) Vigilius Tapensis in “Three Witnesses in Heaven”
there are three which bear testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one.” – Victor Vitensis – 485AD
B) Victor Vitensis in his Historia persecutionis [Corpus Scriptorum Ecclesiasticorum Latinorum, Academia Litterarum Vindobonensis, vol. vii, p. 60.]
C) Fulgentius in “The Three Heavenly Witnesses” [Patrilogiae Cursus Completus, Series Latina by Migne, vol. 65, col. 500.]
“There are three who bear testimony in heaven, the Father, the Son and the Spirit. And the three are one being.” – FULGENTIUS(527AD)
500 AD Cassiodorus cited it [Patrilogiae Cursus Completus, Series Latina by Migne, vol. 70, col. 1373.]
527 AD Fulgentius in Contra Arianos stated: “Tres sunt qui testimonium perhibent in caelo. Pater, Verbum et Spiritus, et tres unum sunt.”
550 AD The “Speculum” has it [The Speculum is a treatise that contains some good Old Latin scriptures.]
636 AD Isidor of Seville quotes the verse as it stands in the KJB.
750 AD Wianburgensis referred to it

SBT: The “Waldensian,” or “Vaudois” received the Scriptures from missionaries of Antioch of Syria in the 120s AD and finished translating it into their Latin language by 157 AD. Their bibles include 1 John 5:7

SBT: I appreciate the opportunity for the congenial discussion. I think I got a bit lost in this thread, is the last question about Tertullian inconsistency?

If so, he is one of many early church writers that quoted 1 John 5:7 in support of their discourse. I don’t think they would need to reference it in every essay or letter they wrote.

The point remains (and seems to be ignored by critical theorists) is that the verse was in the copy of 1 John that they had access to, and their contemporaries and critics did not accuse them of adding to the word of God when they quoted that verse.

It is also in many geographically separated lines of mss that simultaneously have 1 John 5:7 while their line origin predates Siniaticus and Vaticanus.

Just like the creation debate, it is a matter of starting point for reasoning and through what lens we examine the evidence. We were not there so we rely on what evidence we have in the now. We all have the same evidence available.

Critical theory is based on assumption that scribes in Antioch added to God’s words over time and that the Alexandrian mss are the “oldest and best”.

Traditionalists trust that God has preserved His words in the Antioch mss and Alexandrian mss types are prone to leave out verses–as it says in 2 Cor 2:17 there are “many which corrupt the word of God”

The Bible teaches Jesus is God

The Bible teaches Jesus is God in John 1:1, John 5:18-23, John 8:24, John 8:58, John 10:30, John 14:9, John 20:28, Romans 10:13, Philippians 2:5-11; Titus 2:13, 2 Peter 1:1, 1 John 5:20, Revelation 1:8, Revelation 1:17-18, Revelation 22:12-13, and other Scriptures from the Old Testament (Genesis 1:26-27; Genesis 19:24; Deuteronomy 6:4; Isaiah 44:6; Isaiah 45:23; Isaiah 48:16).

Isaiah 43:10 teaches about Jehovah God, the LORD.

Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, And my servant whom I have chosen: That ye may know and believe me, And understand that I am he: Before me there was no God formed, Neither shall there be after me.

Isaiah 43:10

According to Isaiah 43:10 there was no God created before Him and there will be none created after Him. The Hebrew word for formed is yastar which means to be made, created, formed, fashioned, framed. 

Some cults teach Jesus was a created God, however Jesus is God and existed in eternity past as the Word, and is Creator as a member of the Godhead, not a creation

Grievous Words

A soft answer turneth away wrath: but grievous words stir up anger.

Proverbs 15:1

Too often people say things like “I’m not trying to make you mad, but …” or “I don’t mean to be rude, but …”.

These are statements meant to give the speaker a pass to speak grievous words and then blame the other person for getting upset.

Don’t make statements that are lies meant to cover up your responsibility for what you say. We need to take responsibility for our part of the conversation.

If you are not out to make someone angry, then don’t!

If you don’t mean to be rude, then don’t!

We can be truthful, firm, and uncompromising without being a jerk. We need to speak the truth, plainly, in love, and without harshness, hatefulness, or grievous words.

If someone rejects what we say, let it be because they are offended by the truth and not how we deliver it.

Do we purify ourselves?

Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

Daniel 12:10 KJB

Many shall purify themselves and make themselves white and be refined, but the wicked shall act wickedly. And none of the wicked shall understand, but those who are wise shall understand.

Daniel 12:10 ESV

Lie not one to another

Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds

Col 3:9

Do not live a lie. Do not conform just to get along or please people, all the while hiding rebellion in your hearts and secretly desiring the things of the world. Examine yourself and put away those things, for they are the ways of death.

Remember you are risen in Christ and seek those things which are above.


Romans is addressing the liberty we have concerning the ceremonial and dietary laws, but we do not have liberty concerning moral law.

Biblical feast days and sabbaths are ceremonial and shadows of things to come. We have liberty concerning them as Jesus has or will fulfill them.

The practice of traditions of men, doctrines of devils and pagan practices is a moral issue, as God has expressly called it abomination.

Give Thanks

where are the nine?

Luke 17:11-19  And it came to pass, as he went to Jerusalem, that he passed through the midst of Samaria and Galilee. And as he entered into a certain village, there met him ten men that were lepers, which stood afar off: And they lifted up their voices, and said, Jesus, Master, have mercy on us. And when he saw them, he said unto them, Go shew yourselves unto the priests. And it came to pass, that, as they went, they were cleansed.  And one of them, when he saw that he was healed, turned back, and with a loud voice glorified God, And fell down on his face at his feet, giving him thanks: and he was a Samaritan.  And Jesus answering said, Were there not ten cleansed? but where are the nine? There are not found that returned to give glory to God, save this stranger. And he said unto him, Arise, go thy way: thy faith hath made thee whole.

Unthankfulness a trait of the last days

2 Tim 3:1-5 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

Lack of thankfulness is the path to reprobate

Romans 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Giving thanks should be focused toward God, not include self focus or comparing your self with others

Luke 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

Sacrifice of thanksgiving (thanksgiving may cost you)

Daniel 6:10 Now when Daniel knew that the writing was signed, he went into his house; and his windows being open in his chamber toward Jerusalem, he kneeled upon his knees three times a day, and prayed, and gave thanks before his God, as he did aforetime.

Hebrews 13:15 By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name.

Psalm 107:22 And let them sacrifice the sacrifices of thanksgiving, and declare his works with rejoicing.

Psalm 116:17 I will offer to thee the sacrifice of thanksgiving, and will call upon the name of the Lord.

1 Peter 2:19 For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully.

Giving thanks should come willingly from the heart

Leviticus 22:29 And when ye will offer a sacrifice of thanksgiving unto the Lord, offer it at your own will.

Be ye thankful

Colossians 3:15 And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.

Give thanks instead of foolishness

Ephesians 5:4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.

Giving thanks makes known what God has done

1 Chronicles 16:8 Give thanks unto the Lord, call upon his name, make known his deeds among the people.

Psalm 26:7 That I may publish with the voice of thanksgiving, and tell of all thy wondrous works.

Psalm 105:1 O give thanks unto the Lord; call upon his name: make known his deeds among the people.

God is not our servant, we ought to give Him thanks (no obligation to give thanks to a servant)

Luke 17:9 Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not.

Thanksgiving in our liberty

1 Timothy 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

Romans 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

Thanksgiving for victory in Christ

1 Corinthians 15:57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

2 Corinthians 2:14 Now thanks be unto God, which always causeth us to triumph in Christ, and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place.

Colossians 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

Giving thanks results in abounding faith

Colossians 2:7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving

Begin in thanksgiving

Nehemiah 11:17 And Mattaniah the son of Micha, the son of Zabdi, the son of Asaph, was the principal to begin the thanksgiving in prayer: and Bakbukiah the second among his brethren, and Abda the son of Shammua, the son of Galal, the son of Jeduthun.

Psalm 100:4 Enter into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise: be thankful unto him, and bless his name.

Psalm 95:2 Let us come before his presence with thanksgiving, and make a joyful noise unto him with psalms.

1 Chronicles 23:30 And to stand every morning to thank and praise the Lord, and likewise at even:

In everything, continually give thanks

Psalm 97:12 Rejoice in the Lord, ye righteous; and give thanks at the remembrance of his holiness.

1 Thessalonians 5:18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.

2 Corinthians 4:15 For all things are for your sakes, that the abundant grace might through the thanksgiving of many redound to the glory of God.

2 Corinthians 9:15 Thanks be unto God for his unspeakable gift.

Ephesians 5:20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;

Colossians 3:17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

Philippians 4:6 Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.

Colossians 4:2 Continue in prayer, and watch in the same with thanksgiving;

Jesus gave thanks

Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Luke 10:21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.

John 11:41 Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me.

Jesus gave thanks at meals and communion

Matthew 15:36 And he took the seven loaves and the fishes, and gave thanks, and brake them, and gave to his disciples, and the disciples to the multitude.

Matthew 26:27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;

Mark 8:6 And he commanded the people to sit down on the ground: and he took the seven loaves, and gave thanks, and brake, and gave to his disciples to set before them; and they did set them before the people.

Mark 14:23 And he took the cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them: and they all drank of it.

Luke 22:17 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves:

Luke 22:19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.

John 6:11 And Jesus took the loaves; and when he had given thanks, he distributed to the disciples, and the disciples to them that were set down; and likewise of the fishes as much as they would.

John 6:23 (Howbeit there came other boats from Tiberias nigh unto the place where they did eat bread, after that the Lord had given thanks:)

Acts 27:35 And when he had thus spoken, he took bread, and gave thanks to God in presence of them all: and when he had broken it, he began to eat..

1 Corinthians 11:24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

Thanksgiving in song

2 Samuel 22:50 Therefore I will give thanks unto thee, O Lord, among the heathen, and I will sing praises unto thy name.

Psalm 69:30 I will praise the name of God with a song, and will magnify him with thanksgiving.

Psalm 147:7 Sing unto the Lord with thanksgiving; sing praise upon the harp unto our God:

2 Chronicles 5:13 It came even to pass, as the trumpeters and singers were as one, to make one sound to be heard in praising and thanking the Lord; and when they lifted up their voice with the trumpets and cymbals and instruments of musick, and praised the Lord, saying, For he is good; for his mercy endureth for ever: that then the house was filled with a cloud, even the house of the Lord;

Giving of thanks for others

1 Timothy 2:1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;

1 Corinthians 1:4 I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ;

Romans 1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.

Ephesians 1:16 Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers;

Colossians 1:3 We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,

Philippians 1:3I thank my God upon every remembrance of you,

1 Thessalonians 1:2 We give thanks to God always for you all, making mention of you in our prayers;

2 Thessalonians 1:3 We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is meet, because that your faith groweth exceedingly, and the charity of every one of you all toward each other aboundeth;

2 Thessalonians 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

2 Timothy 1:3 I thank God, whom I serve from my forefathers with pure conscience, that without ceasing I have remembrance of thee in my prayers night and day;

Philemon 1:4I thank my God, making mention of thee always in my prayers,

More Examples of Giving Thanks

1 Chronicles 16:34 O give thanks unto the Lord; for he is good; for his mercy endureth for ever.

1 Chronicles 16:35 And say ye, Save us, O God of our salvation, and gather us together, and deliver us from the heathen, that we may give thanks to thy holy name, and glory in thy praise.

1 Chronicles 29:13 Now therefore, our God, we thank thee, and praise thy glorious name.

Psalm 18:49 Therefore will I give thanks unto thee, O Lord, among the heathen, and sing praises unto thy name.

Psalm 30:4 Sing unto the Lord, O ye saints of his, and give thanks at the remembrance of his holiness.

Psalm 30:12 To the end that my glory may sing praise to thee, and not be silent. O Lord my God, I will give thanks unto thee for ever.

Psalm 35:18 I will give thee thanks in the great congregation: I will praise thee among much people.

Psalm 50:14 Offer unto God thanksgiving; and pay thy vows unto the most High:

Psalm 75:1 Unto thee, O God, do we give thanks, unto thee do we give thanks: for that thy name is near thy wondrous works declare.

Psalm 79:13 So we thy people and sheep of thy pasture will give thee thanks for ever: we will shew forth thy praise to all generations.

Psalm 92:1 It is a good thing to give thanks unto the Lord, and to sing praises unto thy name, O Most High:

Psalm 106:1 Praise ye the Lord. O give thanks unto the Lord; for he is good: for his mercy endureth for ever.

Psalm 106:47 Save us, O Lord our God, and gather us from among the heathen, to give thanks unto thy holy name, and to triumph in thy praise.

Psalm 107:1 O give thanks unto the Lord, for he is good: for his mercy endureth for ever.

Psalm 118:1 O give thanks unto the Lord; for he is good: because his mercy endureth for ever.

Psalm 118:29 O give thanks unto the Lord; for he is good: for his mercy endureth for ever.

Psalm 119:62 At midnight I will rise to give thanks unto thee because of thy righteous judgments.

Psalm 122:4 Whither the tribes go up, the tribes of the Lord, unto the testimony of Israel, to give thanks unto the name of the Lord.

Psalm 136:1 O give thanks unto the Lord; for he is good: for his mercy endureth for ever.

Psalm 136:2 O give thanks unto the God of gods: for his mercy endureth for ever.

Psalm 136:3 O give thanks to the Lord of lords: for his mercy endureth for ever.

Psalm 136:26 O give thanks unto the God of heaven: for his mercy endureth for ever.

Psalm 140:13 Surely the righteous shall give thanks unto thy name: the upright shall dwell in thy presence.

Jeremiah 30:19 And out of them shall proceed thanksgiving and the voice of them that make merry: and I will multiply them, and they shall not be few; I will also glorify them, and they shall not be small.

Daniel 2:23 I thank thee, and praise thee, O thou God of my fathers, who hast given me wisdom and might, and hast made known unto me now what we desired of thee: for thou hast now made known unto us the king’s matter.

1 Thessalonians 3:9 For what thanks can we render to God again for you, for all the joy wherewith we joy for your sakes before our God;

Revelation 4:9 And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever,

Revelation 7:12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.

Revelation 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.